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LJ
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 Posted - 11/17/2004 : 06:10:14 AM
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Here is another article from our local paper about profanity. Apparently, here in the Commonwealth (we call it Communist-wealth) of VA is is unlawful to swear or curse. An accusation can bring charges against you. wonder, does it apply to schools (inside the schools and on the buses?) Read it:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=78046&ran=107067 |
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JK
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Posted - 11/17/2004 : 09:30:00 AM
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Originally posted by LJ
Here is another article from our local paper about profanity. ... does it apply to schools (inside the schools and on the buses?) Read it:
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=78046&ran=107067
Most profanity in a controlled environment, such as in court, a board meeting, on the bus and the like, could be considered illegal behavior. Much of violence that occurs on the school buses is postured by vulgar or obscene language. People do have an right to civility and I happen to agree with this law for that reason. (jk)
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Edited by - JK on 11/17/2004 09:31:25 AM |
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LJ
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Posted - 11/17/2004 : 2:19:46 PM
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To a degree, I agree too. But I feel that the other mother was out of line. For all that matters, the mom accused did not swear and now she is going to court for something she claims she did not do. Wish I had used that law for the many times the colorful "F-word" was used when I drove middle school students. I had a kid once deny he said it and the admin. believed him over me. That was before the camera was put on the bus.
Appreciate your feedback, JK. You are always objective with all the posts. |
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mlkdrives41
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Posted - 11/17/2004 : 7:14:53 PM
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I agree with James. Profanity should be illegal behavior especially where it is used to incite people to violence. When kids taunt each other on the bus they usually think of whatever derogatory obscenity they can call them and before you can pull the bus over somebody is jumping over a seat reacting to it.
In the workplace, including the bus yard, people could tone down the vulgarities as well. I'm sure if they just took a moment they could think of another word, maybe even one with more than four letters to describe something.
But, as with allegations of impropriety that adults inflict on children, if there is no proof of the action happening needed in court, then people are going to be wrongly accused. |
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LJ
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 05:02:12 AM
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I highly doubt this law can be used in schools with all the "my child never lies, my child never swears, my child never yada yada yada". Discipline is purely a school board issue in many areas and it needs fixing. I used to get highly offended by one of my students with nasty language, but you write them up, it is your word against theirs. Unless the camera picks it up, forget it. I will admit, I slip every now and then, but I am discrete about it. Never would I have used that type of vocabulary with my students though.
I hate to say it, but I come from the "old school" where we, as children, towed the line. I never once crossed it with my folks because I knew the consequences of my actions, so I just did as I was told. Not that I was perfect, but my folks brought me up to have respect for those in authority and I kept that respect in my adult years and raised my daughter to have the same respect. The lack of respect today in our schools is deplorable and I always wanted to be a teacher, I am glad I did not become one. I was just a good a role model on the bus as I would have been in the classroom. Funny though, we can write a kid up for cussing and he actually did it, but let a kid falsely accuse a staff member of unacceptable behavior and the school employee is guilty before he or she can defend themself. The media has you guilty before you can prove other wise. Imagine, going through college for four to six to seven years to get a BA, BS or a masters and do what one has always loved to do and have it snatched away from you because of a little boldfaced lie told by a student. yes, sometimes staff can act innappropriately, and they do, but it applies to everyone reagardless of what they did or did not do. A shame that society has allowed this to happen. My husband always commented that the behavior of some kids today is the actions and bringing up of kids by the "hippie generation". But now the hippies' kids are all grown, guess the products of the Generation X is next. Parents, please teach your kids respect, it takes almost nothing and costs nothing. |
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bosslady
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 1:15:11 PM
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I agree that many young people have no respect for anyone. I was raised to respect others particuarly people older than me and persons in authority and I raised my children the same way. My son is 31 years old and he has never talked back to me nor has he ever said a curse word in front of me. Yet, I have been in other situations where teenage boys have used horrible language in front of me at malls, parks, etc. I am not a young woman , I am old enough to be their grandmother and they knew I could hear every word.
I was in Walmart the other evening and a man who looked to be in his 30's or older was wearing a tee shirt that had "F*@#" on it in big letters. What kind of man would walk around a public place with that on his shirt. I was very offended and had I had my grandchildren with me I would have gone to the manager and asked him to do something about it. I should have anyway.
I am glad there is a law in effect like that. I wish there was one here in my state.
When our forefather wrote the constitution and added "the right to free speech" I do not believe this is what they had in mind. |
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LJ
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 3:02:14 PM
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| Too bad it cannot be enforced in schools. Kids get away with everything these days. Only a few isolated cases such as the one at Western Branch HS I posted recently with the hazing of freshmen. And abusive language has nothing to do with freedom of speech, only ignorance. |
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JK
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Posted - 11/18/2004 : 5:52:52 PM
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Too bad it cannot be enforced in schools. ...
Pardon my interruption, but of course prohibiting the use of profanity at school is enforceable. Policy need only point out what is and is not allowed. There are some schools that may say the obscene language is some sort of right to free speech, but please show me any court case where profanity prohibited by school policy (a controlled environment) has been thrown out anywhere in this county. Try swearing in court at the judge. Tell the judge to get ****** and tell me what happens next. On my bus years ago the same kids, none of which used profanity on the bus without also receiving an escort to the office, used it constantly in the hallways without consequence. The principal would attempt arguing, "It can't be stopped in the school, how can it be expected to be stopped on the bus?" It is prohibited on the bus and in the school (both are controlled environments). Some things can be simple to solve. The simplest answer here is to replace the principal with one that ENFORCES expectations. The posts saying use of profanity demonstrates ignorance can also add that such language promotes bullying and violence. It can be asked what common language do the most violent kids use before the violence escalates. They certainly are not saying please and thank you. (jk)
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Edited by - JK on 11/18/2004 5:55:22 PM |
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LJ
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Posted - 11/19/2004 : 05:58:18 AM
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Call it "living in the past" but years ago, unacceptable language was not tolerated at home or in school. I was a good student and deathly afraid of my teachers, so I chose to stay straight as an arrow. These days, kids don't care. Then the behavior is carried into their adult life and unacceptable behavior will not be tolerated then. The law enforcement could give a hoot if you were the model student, an honor roll student, what Daddy does for a living, etc. what if they join the military? The military will kick their butts out in a heartbeat for behavior unbecoming and then a dishonorable discharge will follow the rest of one's life.
No enforcement of rules in school leads to worse things. They try to enforce it, then mommy and daddy step in and get a lawyer.
What gripes me is the non-enforcement of the student dress code. Don't give this "freedom of expression" malarkey. The code says, "no midriff tops, no see-thru tops, no hats, no scarves and PANTS WILL BE UP AROUND THE WAIST for the boys. In my last year of driving, I had high schoolers, fairly good kids, a bad apple now and then, but I saw more boxer shorts in more colors and patterns than I cared to see. Boys walking around pulling up their pants. What gives? We wore pretty wierd stuff in the 70's but this takes the cake. Thank God my daughter did not bring anyone home with their pants around their knees, they would have been given a piece of rope. Decent dress means decent self-respect. Maybe its the way they dress that dictates the way they act. Just a food for thought. Why have a dress code and waist all those good trees and ink to print it if it is not enforced?
Just a shame, the lack of self-respect among our younger generation. |
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Profanity against the law?
