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eicsbus
Senior Member
Canada
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 Posted - 03/31/2011 : 12:02:21 PM
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| anyone having problems with bio-diesels |
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Wolf0r
Top Member
USA
2181 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2011 : 1:08:19 PM
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| Ya, you should be using hemp seed oil. J/K |
“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2011 : 08:51:18 AM
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| Be sure use only Soy-Diesel. I have no problems what so ever. |
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80 grit
Active Member
United States
47 Posts |
Posted - 04/13/2011 : 7:45:20 PM
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| We tried it, the rotary injection pumps don't care for it at all.They just would not run right. Less btu content so less power across the board too.Quality control is a real problem, we got a batch that gelled up at 50f downing most of the fleet one morning. It looked like someone packed the fuel filters full of lard. It didn't dissolve when it warmed up either, even if the motor started and ran a route the filters were a greasy mess.No more bio for us. |
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Baggs
New Member
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Posted - 04/14/2011 : 11:21:48 AM
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Been working well at my house, 2% in the winter,5% in the warmer times.
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2011 : 1:59:41 PM
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| 80 grit, you will have to work that old animal fat and rendering out of your system before soy will work. Insist on only soy based bio-diesel. We are mandated, in Illinois, to put in at least 2% bio. Some around here put 5% because that is what all the farmers put in their equipment. I have heard of very few problems around here. We run what is called sure flow in the winter. As I have said on past posts we have a very good supplier and I have always told them that they live in the same world as I do so put in what you need to to keep us going. |
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IBTMech
Top Member
USA
973 Posts |
Posted - 04/14/2011 : 3:57:41 PM
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We used B-5 for a few years and made it through the winters with Power Service concentrate as a supplement. Tried B-20 in warmer weather with no issues other than fuel filters clogging in the older vehicles due to the stripping out of tank deposits.
A neighboring town tried b-20 during the onset of winter with disasterous results. School transportation literally shut down during a cold snap......... a really poor time to try biodiesel.
I don't have any issues with B-5 in winter and B-20 in summer in Maine tho the price.... the driving force ...... has made us go back to straight ulsd for the time being. |
If it doesn't fit, FORCE it.
If it breaks, well, it needed replacing anyway.
Pullin' wrenches for 45 years. |
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80 grit
Active Member
United States
47 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2011 : 4:38:38 PM
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| We were running B98 for a year at least before we got screwed. I personally really like the idea of bio motor fuels, especially soy.The quality control is not there yet. Sometimes it would look like maple syrup being delivered. Our supplier tried another source because of availability and we got screwed along with the biggest alternative fuel station in the region as they got a full load of the same stuff. A lot of people in the general public got stuck, lots of bad press and litigation. Get it consistently good, get it priced right and sure I will use it. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04/16/2011 : 5:28:21 PM
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| B98!! Holy Cow, What are you doing there man? Most manufacturers will not even warrenty past B15 or 20, some used to be lower than that (haven't checked latley). No wonder you're having trouble. I'd stick with the B5 if I were you. Do you have agriculture in your area? If so talk to those guys, they will tell you what works because they WANT to use it. |
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80 grit
Active Member
United States
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Posted - 04/16/2011 : 8:27:59 PM
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| Hey if you're going to run bio, step up to the plate and do it. Nothing was under warranty so we went for it. No real problems with the majority of the fleet for a year+. The rotary pump stuff 6.5 Chev, 6.9 Ford didn't like it , but the Detroits, Cats, IH, big and little Cummins ran ok. Temp wise it gets a little below freezing on the coldest nights, but not for long. Everything started every time until the bad batch showed up.The inconsistencies are what was troubling. We use one supplier for our fuels, who knows where they were getting the bio. Sometimes it would look clear like petro and other times it would be very dark. It isn't brewed in our area so the supply is spotty and anything we get is imported low bid leftovers. Our local agriculture is mostly citrus and avocados, nobody is using bio.It costs way too much for them to get it. The nearest station that has it is almost 50 miles away. We were using close to 2,000 gallons a week so getting a truckload was a bit more cost effective. Until a source of locally produced high quality brew appears, we are out of the bio business. |
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bwest
Administrator
United States
3820 Posts |
Posted - 04/18/2011 : 4:32:15 PM
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| Well, that's cool enough! I didn't know you were in CA, just thought you were in the mid-west.... my bad. I would have to agree if I were in your place, get out of the business until they can guarantee you a quality product. We love it around here just not to the extreme you were trying to use it. How cold does it get there? I can see using a B98 if you didn't get below 40 or so. |
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Wolf0r
Top Member
USA
2181 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2011 : 09:29:37 AM
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“The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it.”
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bcressey
Senior Member
USA
114 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2011 : 6:31:24 PM
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| We just had an MBE engine in that got a pure shot of fat. The blend was wrong. It looked like you milked a cow into the fuel tank. It does not do much for 07 EPA aftertreatment. It was a very frustrating week, but its back on the road. |
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80 grit
Active Member
United States
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Posted - 04/19/2011 : 8:26:47 PM
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| Hey bwest, if these things would run on orange juice we would be set. In the coldest part of winter the temp will get below freezing, but not for too long 6-7 hours max.Enough to ice a windshield but not much else. I wish that we could get a straight soy sourced product on a consistent basis as I love the idea of a renewable fuel and the lubricity of the stuff. We just have problems getting it. How is the cost of it for you as compared to regular diesel? I am going to check out WolfOr's hemp oil links, they look interesting. |
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Wolf0r
Top Member
USA
2181 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2011 : 09:05:16 AM
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| I think the plant based oils would really take off once we get a refining process stable. Peanut oil, soy and hemp all look like clean renewable choices. The thing with hemp is that after you harvest the seeds for oil, you still have a good fiberous material for paper, clothing, shelter, unlimited possibilities. From what I've read you only get about 15 gallons per acre of oil. But you can grow year round in certain climates. Just add water... |
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